The show is often at its best with these types of mind games, and they were in full force in this episode. What Lost has done here is take one of their biggest back story mysteries and actually make it worth a damn in the present. If you remember, when we learned that Kate had blown up her stepfather, we quite literally stopped caring.
Unlike Kate, who now lacks a mystery to sustain her character in back stories, Locke is now even more confused, more complex and is a character open to more development outside of his Season 1 origins. Fantastic dramatic tension, really good directing The Hatch shot in the submarine mirroring the shot from the original hatch made me happy , great acting, and a heightening of mystery while providing one of the answers we were always looking for.
If you missed it, or want to rekindle fond memories, continue on to check out the full recap. We open to a woman filling out a form while John Locke dictates. We learn that he is single, not married, and that he never really knew his parents. We cut to Locke eating a TV Dinner, until he opens his door to find a young man.
His name is Peter Talbot, and he is not a solicitor; in fact, his mother needs help and he wants to know how many kidneys John has. Jack and Juliet are laughing and getting on, which means Kate wants the binoculars. We hear piano music plays as she enters a small compound, and Jack appears to be playing it. Neither did Kate, who smiles at this new side of Jack.
He wants her to leave, right now. Like, right there. Anywho, Kate gets herself a gun to the head and Sayid is dragged in to join her. When asked, she lies and says that there is no one else with them. However, as Ben sits in the dark, he learns this not to be true. He turns on the light, and sees John with a gun. He knows that they have it, and he knows how they use it.
Alex, unfortunately, decides to stop by for a visit. We hear things about Juliet and Shepherd, as Locke hides in the closet with Alex. He overhears that the Man from Tallahassee is going to be brought in. Locke wants answers about it, but Ben? Not so much with the answers. Locke, however, is off searching for answers as he visits his kidney-stealing father figure. His father is, shall we say, none too interested. Ben has plenty of contraptions, and his usual witty remarks.
Ben amazingly solves a complex mathematical problem in that he realizes Locke has the C4, and that he plans to blow up the submarine. Ben knows he was born in California, wasted part of his life with industrial boxes, had foster care, and spent the four years prior to the island in a wheelchair.
And, he knows how he ended up in it. Ben is all-knowing, and wants to know if it hurt. Locke says that he felt his back break…what do you think?
Kate is playing with her handcuffs as Tom stops by for a visit, bringing Jack along with him. They ask if they were each hurt, but Kate gets down to business: what is all of this? Is this where they took our kids, our people? And that's that. Point 4 A few closing questions and observations: My favorite exchange from this episode: Locke: Where do you get electricity? Ben: We have two giant hamsters running in a massive wheel at our secret underground lair. I'm assuming that Cooper is the "man from Tallahassee," but there are a billion questions surrounding his appearance on the island.
How did he get there? Why is he gagged? Why was he beaten? Why is he dressed in cabana wear? How long has he been on the island? Why was he in Tallahassee? Does his Tallahassee connection have ties to Sawyer or Kate both of whom spent considerable time in Florida? How glorious will it be when the smoke monster lifts Cooper eight stories and then impales him on Eko's Jesus stick? What sort of government system do the Others use?
Based on Ben's comments, it seems like birthright factors into the mix or maybe Ben made that up. But they also have a jury system as we saw at Juliet's "trial". So, what gives? Is it a pseudo-Democracy overseen by an all-powerful Czar?
Or, is it an anarcho-syndicalist commune that takes turns acting as a sort of executive officer for the week? Now that she's gazed upon Alex with her own eyes, I could see her staging a massive coup I'm also looking forward to a Rousseau-Ben showdown. When she realizes she once had the man who stole her daughter trapped in a net her head will spontaneously combust.
That's all I've got! Be sure to drop by our "Lost" Forum for stimulating conversation and conjecture. Next Episode: "Expose" -- The truth behind Sun's season two abduction comes out. Elsewhere, Paulikki get their own backstory.
Airs Wednesday, Mar. Review by Mac Slocum. Totally awesome episode!! I couldn't believe it! But at the end when Daddy Locke shows up in the holding area, was incredible. Does this mean that the mysterious box of glory does exist? Or maybe they brought him in on the sub Anyway i think Locke is gonna pull a Sayid and torture his dad until he says hes sorry.
Then Locke will give him his other kidney. And did anyone else realize that Ben and Locke are so similar, they could be best friends. Maybe it will happen Looking forward to your recap - just wanted to put in my 2 cents. On a personal note Honestly, of all places to imortalize. I'm having trouble fitting that part into the timelline. I did not see that coming. When Ben led John to the door, I said to myself, Self cuz that's what I call me there's no way they're going to let us see what's in there.
And even if they do let us see what's in there, it couldn't possibly be truly worthwhile. But Locke's dad? Holy with all due respect to Frank Barone Crap! It might of just been me, but wasn't the song that Jack was playing on the piano the music LOST tends to use at the end of episode. When they do those montages. I have listened to is 3 times and it sounds really close.
Anyone else think the same? Not that it is really important, but kinda interesting. Sorry, I don't get this episode. I agree with Mac, Jack is leaving in a love torn hissy fit.
I knew Locke's dad was going to be in the box the moment Locke was led to it. And while I am at it, a "magic box"? I think the shows writers must be seriously asking themselves how long they can string this out before the whole thing appears overly contrived. By the way, I love the way Locke's dad was able to stop himself from crashing through the window. Regardless, you have to love actor who plays Ben. Great work dude. Maybe that is where he disappered to. Alpert asks what they need him for, as if he has been there a long time, and that he was thought to be useless.
I think that they just dressed daddy-dearest up to look like he was beaten and new on the island. That, OR. We know he can change his shape to appear as people Eko's bro. In other words, maybe the Others have an actual shape-changer, who can appear to be anyone, and also read minds. And they call him "the man from Talahassee". I'm assuming - as Mac seems to agree - that the 'Magic Box' is most likely a Ben con. Like the Pacemaker Rabbit! Which is more likely?
Actually, what makes this a great show is that ANY of these may be likely! But I'm rooting for 3! Adam: You might be on to something there with the Smokey connection. The first thing I noticed, which I will have to confirm, was when we saw Jack at the beginning of the ep frolicking.
When he went over to shake Ben's hand, it looked as if there was a large tattoo on his left arm, inside the elbow. But the rest of the ep ended up with me thinking I just saw a shadow. But Jack was a little off from the normal doc we know. Any thoughts? Wonder if the box is the reason why the Others are willing to die without putting up a fight. Maybe someone can bring them back!?! The producers have said that Jack's dad is dead but what if Jack brings him back?
Didn't they also say that since someone is dead, they are not gone? We assume they'll appear in flashbacks but maybe they can be brought back. Maybe not Great recap! Great show! Man: You definitely saw a tatoo.
I checked it a couple times and it's there -- on the underside of his left arm. Was Locke the guy falling out the window when Hurley was in the office of his financial manager in season 1???? I don't know how I feel about Cooper being on the Island. It feels too convenient. How are they going to explain it? He just appeared out of a magic box? One thing I have always clung to is the fact that the producers have said that everything is scientifically explainable, but how do you explain a magic box that spits out cast-away's evil parents?
If the explanation of this phenomena is decent, than I will accept it for what it is, an interesting plot twist that helps make the back-stories relavent Haven't fans been complaining about this for ages as well? If there is no forthcoming explanation of the magic box, I think I'm going to be a little miffed. They might as well strap some water skis to Ben's wheel chair and have him lasso the Dharma Shark to go for a ride!
That being said! I thought the rest of the episode was pretty fantastic and the Cooper revalation could be as well, it all depends on how they explain the box! I was glad Sayid made the first step in connecting Rousseau and Alex, I liked the exchanges between Locke and Ben, I liked that they showed Richard Alpert being on the island. I thought the exchange between Jack and Kate was odd, they never just say what they mean, you know?
I did like that he said that he was going to come back for her though, that was sweet. But now what? Ben doesn't have to let Sayid and Kate go, becuase he only promised he would when Jack got off the island. Where does this leave Jack now? Will he be a prisoner as well, or will he be "one of them"? Why did Jack say that the children and the others who were taken were "Safe"? What does that even mean? That was the same thing Goodwin had said. Is he just not "allowed" to reveal what is going on, and since he knows they are being reconded, trying not to get himself in trouble by revealing too much info?
I think the "Magic Box" was just a metaphor for the Submarine, I beleive that Cooper was bought to the island when Ben realized that Cooper Lockes dad was Sawyer the man Sawyer has been tracking.
What a fun episode this was Yeah, the whole Jack and Kate dynamic was a little strange and I'm not sure where that is leading. Ben; don't you just hate the guy? I sure do. And poor Locke But first, he obviously has to deal with Dad. Another aspect I liked of this episode was that we finally get to see the Losties getting under the others' skins. Notably, some of Locke's comments to Ben and Sayid's exchange with Alex.
Oh yes Does Matthew Fox have a real tattoo there and it's just bad camera work? Was he branded? Also, usually you can see his shoulder tattoo peaking out under his t-shirt. Didn't see that either. That bothered me all episode. I personally think Rousseau knew Ben was the leader of the others when she captured him in her net, and that she need the castaways to help her track down her daughter since she could not do it herself for whatever reason.
Ben: "No John, we don't have a code for a man is holding my daughter in the closet with a gun to her head. But maybe we should. Anybody else read flan o'briens "the third policeman"? It was one of the books desmond grabbed when fleeing the hatch. There could be a catch to this magic box. I had a problem with the lack of reaction from Alex when Syid tells her about her mom. No disbelief, no look of hope, nothing, and no questions for dear old dad.
La la la, let me just lead big bad Locke straight to the sub and stroll back home. I really felt like Ben was channeling your mojo when he made the comment to Locke about Bensylvania being powered by two giant hamsters!
Speaking of mojo, Lost certainly does have it back!!! Awesome episode. Simply stellar acting. Knowing that Jack was about to leave on the sub he still had no problem blowing it up.
So maybe he really did purposely turn the Flame into the Cinder! Jack is going to want to kill Locke now I really do want a plausible explanation for how Locke's father got on the island. Whether it means an explanation of the magic box or some other way we need to know soon.
You know, the one that makes them become our favorite Lost characters! I don't think that it was necessarily Locke's father in the box.
Earlier in the episode, Ben stated that you can see anything you imagine in the box. I believe that's why Ben made Locke talk about his dad immediately before opening the door. Just a possibility Maybe Alex knows that if she brings up "mommy" now, Sayid could get beatin' badly. It may take some time for it to sink in. If someone you loved always told you one thing and a stranger says another, I could see ignoring it at first.
I bet it will bother her until she asks him. Great review! If I didn't know better, I could've sworn that you consulted in the writing of this episode. Seriously, between the plot line and the witty conversations, I could've sworrn it had your finger prints all over it. I don't think Cooper is the man from Tallahassee. That's too obvious for Lost standards. Wouldn't be suprised if it turns out to be the yet unknown Jake or might have something to do with Sawyer.
Remember Sawyers comment, "I spent some time in Tallahassee and lets just say the sun wasn't the only thing burning. As far as the birth right thing goes, it would make sense as to why Alex hasn't been branded, vanished, or killed yet.
She was born on the island but despite all the times she has refused or violated orders, she seems to be left alone and continues to be trusted. Definately think it has something to do with being born on the island.
Does anyone know why Locke was dripping wet when the sub blew up? He wouldn't have to get out of the sub to plant the C One point you left out - probably on purpose - was when Jack and Juliet went to see Ben for the "one last favor".
Ben made it perfectly clear that yes he would release Jack's friends - as soon as he left the island. This scene only confirms how evil Ben can be, and how good he is at being evil. He already knew that Locke was gonna make the sub go boom. Now he doesn't have to release John, Sayid, or Kate and he won't be breaking his word to Jack. Technically if Jack is still on the island then he doesn't have to release anyone.
Then there is the scene where Alex tries to warn Locke that he's playing right into Ben's hands. That Ben manipulates people, "That's what he does, he gets you to think it was your idea from the start". Smart girl, but John being John couldn't hear anything past his immediate desire.
You know, how old do you think Ben really is. Is it possible that being a "product" of the island, assuming that he is the result of a Dharma project, makes his physically developmental age accellerated.
No even sure that matters but his mannerisms are sometimes childlike. I guess we have to assume that Lockes dad was brought to the island before the anomoly. It seems that we have only touched the surface of Lockes importance to the others not to mention the "Big Cheese" we haven't met yet.
I could see stuff coming from a mile away "don't go near the window, Locke! Leave it to Locke to get this show back on track. I believe when they showed Locke soaking wet, it was after the sub exploded. I'm sure when that happened it caused quite a splash. I was thinking that too, the magic box has to be smokey, its the most logical of all Smokey is the box and it can transform into anything.. Ben knows that the Losties have been to the communications HQ, and that they met Mikhail.
Yet Ben does not ask about Mikhail or Ms. Does he fear the worst? Ben never asks how they got into the compound They are all walking around just fine, brains intact and all.
I like Carl's comment about how Cooper was the last thing Locke was thinking about when he looked in the room, and there's Cooper. If Locke had been thinking about Donuts, would the room have been full of donuts? I also like the idea that what we saw as Cooper is really Smokey taking a new form. But following that train of thought, so far we've only seen Smokey take the form of people who were dead on the island Yemi and Christian , so could that mean that Cooper really had been on the island at some point, but is now dead?
Is the Room we saw, the "Box" that Ben was talking about, or is the Box somehwere else, and the room is just where they are keeping what popped out of it? Mary--Locke falling out the window past Hurley is just pricesless.
I never put that together. Need to watch that epi again and see if it is Locke. The magic box is interesting, but we'll have to wait and see how it pans out. I knew Locke wanted to blow up the sub the moment he told Ben he was not 'here for Jack.
GRAA, mac. Keep up the good work. The hamster line was almost as good as "That's a helluva Jesus. I only knocked out communication. Locke was wet before the sub exploded. For some reason he swam off the sub instead of walking the pier. It's possible that he placed the C4 on the outside of the submarine, close to where he thought the fuel tank would be.
The magic box is the smoke monster, and the Others's don't control it. It's a part of the island that they discovered, and sometimes it's useful to them, but ultimately they can't make it do whatever they want it to do. OK, if so, then almost all the puzzles of the island reduce to "What the heck is the Smoke Monster? Why was it necesary to use a submarine, rather than a surface vessel to reach the island? Maybe because there's something you're not supposed to see as you approach it.
Normal submarines are quite capable of navigating without them. As to why Ben doesn't want anybody to leave, and Locke also seems to want to prevent anyone from leaving, maybe they both realize that if the outside world ever discovers the island, everything that is special about it will be ruined - maybe the island is fragile in some sense we don't yet understand.
I don't think Locke was the person falling past the window when Hurly was at his accountant's office. Locke's dad was in a residential building or hotel, which don't often mix with office space, plus the times don't seem to work out.
If, like my wife, you said "That's why I don't like being in high-rises with glass sides", let me assure you that in the real world, Locke's back might have been broken hitting the window, but not the ground.
That structural glass is incredibly tough. You skipped over what was a poignant moment in the episode - Locke's physical therapist comes into his room and wants to put Locke in his wheelchair, but Locke says he can't. The therapist says "John, you fell 8 stories and survived. I don't want to hear about what you can't do". When Locke goes to the wheelchair, I think he's crying because of his brush-with-death revelation. And this is also, presumably, the origin of Locke's "Don't tell me what I can't do!
Did I hear Locke's dialogue incorrectly? I thought, when he was talking to Ben about the C4, that he said something like, "you put the C4 in my pack for Sayid to discover. Or did he not say something like that? I love the Alex set-up with Sayid's few but well-chosen words. That's why, at the end of the episode, Cooper was perfectly placed inside the room for the reveal. I don't get it. Nor do I think the room that he is in is the box.
I really don't know. Kate and Jack's scene touched me immensely. I guess I didn't pay that much attention to the dialogue, LOL. To me, the gist of the scene was that Kate sort-of asked Jack about the whole Sawyer sex thing, but Jack was obtuse with his answer.
Again, I am going to assume that there's some other strategic things going on with Jack. Could Jack's motivation to get off the island now simply be jealousy and disappointment that Kate hooked up with Sawyer???? Finally, [please don't hate me for this one] I cringe when anyone mentions "clones". I really don't think that's what's going on. And I don't think that's the way the writers are going with this show.
Plus, it's too easy of a plot-device. I think the writers are smarter than that. Don't take the box idea too literally. If they had a real box that produced anything they wished for, why would they be eating Dharma brand imitation Frosted Flakes with twice the fiber and half the sugar? Who would be wishing for Dharma Frosted Flakes? I don't think Ben's Talking about a box litereally, but the island figuratively. Ben wished for a spine surgeon and one fell out the sky.
Cooper falling off the grid after going to Mexico could just mean he finally got conned himself and ended up on Dharma World with a much better conman in charge. I am liking what I am reading as well as what I was watching last night I think that is one darn good theory As is the clone of Jack theory Who is Benry really playing in all of this? In one breath, he goes from telling Locke that the sub is an "illusion," there to make his people believe they can leave at any time to explaining he made a deal to allow Jack to go home using said sub The one to Locke or the one to Jack?
I guess it doesn't matter now, as Benry so politely thanked Locke for helping him with I noticed the rum Cooper poured was the same kind Desmond's future father in law was drinking I do find it hard to believe that Sayid and Kate and Locke could scamper across the grounds of Losteria Lane unnoticed, but as soon as they went inside somewhere, there were cameras to catch them.
Why no such security to watch the outside? Why only the inside? How did no one else know Locke was in there? You would want to place the explosives on the outside hull of the sub. You get much more bang for the buck, that way, because the water tamps the explosive force and concentrates it toward the sub. For the same reason, the RAF's squadron in WW II developed techniques to skip-drop bombs that would then sink in the water on the upstream side of the Ruhr dams.
The explosives broke the dams open, whereas the same amount of explosive on the air side of the dam would have just scratched the concrete. Man - Matthew has a lot of tattoos that have to be covered for the show. I'm assuming that they didn't know that one would be visible for the scene and didn't take the tons of time to cover it. I don't see the profit in straining for workarounds to Ben's 'magic box' monologue.
Ben's modus operandi is to allways tell the truth. The magic box talk is just metaphor for a phenomenon that Locke has already discovered: if you want something bad enough, and you focus on that desire, the Island will provide. Be careful what you wish for little lostie, or the Island will surely provide it. Let's run with this as a true proposition for a moment.
That's not what he's going to lead Locke to believe though. Interestingly, though, it appears that Ben genuinely has no clue how he's supposed to leverage this gift from the Island into what he really wants.
This power that Locke holds over Ben is underscored by the repeated observation about who is in a wheelchair and who is not. This show has picked up some ferocious momentum the last couple of weeks. Good times. This might be nothing, but in the scene where Locke is talking to Peter Talbott you can hear a car alarm going off outside. Maybe that was just to imply that Locke was living in a bad area, but could it have been a reference to something that happened in another back story?
Maybe not, but it seemed kinda prominent to me. Ben must have found Locke's dad and brought him to the island after he escaped from the hatch. He had wanted to meet Locke "I came for you" because he wanted to check out Locke's connection with the island even way back then.
Since then it's only been a matter of waiting until after his back was operated on to finish his business with Locke. It would be a real loss of power if Locke proved to have a better connection with the island than Born-on-the-island Ben and Ben knows this.
The reference to the "magic box" was only a metaphor Ben used to pique Locke's interest and keep him manipulatable and in Ben's game. Ben is one smart and evil cookie.
When the Dharma drones went out of their "safe area" and met up with the Losties they dressed as hostiles so the Losties would blame the hostiles for the kidnappings and killings and such. But I do wonder if the hostiles carry some diseasee that threatens Ben's group as all the hatches had quaratine signs on them. Since they innoculated Claire's baby with something in uteero maybe this disease kills young chidren and makes women infertile? Or the disease experiment gone awry turns you into a hostile and that's where they came from Any thoughts?
Think about it Claire hers was nonexistent in her life and then pops in and tries to get her to pull the plug on her mother. Walt his was uninvolved, althoguh this was not on purpose, per se.
Still they did not have a relationship until the crash. Shannon hers died and left her evil step-monster in charge; no one to take care of poor Shannon. Sayid Charlie can anyone weigh in on daddy issues here? Jin any issues with his fisherman dad? In the first episode of Season 3, we see Otherville for the first time.
I might be wrong, but when the camera zoomed out, wasn't their camp in the middle of the jungle, surrounded by trees? If that's the case, how do they have a submarine and a dock within walking distance? Those two scenes don't match up. Leads me to believe the writers either don't do their homework or hope we don't catch things Just a thought. The others dont need the submarine to come and go, they have the bigger boat available unless Locke finds it.
Makes you wonder how far Mike and Walt got in the Others smaller boat last season and where they wound up. I also dont believe Ben is stuck in his wheelchair, he's a bug-eyed lying lier that lies. Mary, Locke falling from the sky: Great theory, but it was not him. I had to think about this for a while. I do like the theory though. Hurley had only been a multi-millionaire for a short time months?
Locke was in the wheelchair for four years. The timelines don't match up. I though the same thing about why no security to watch the perimeter. But it kind of makes sense. If you had a "Sonic Death Fence", would you really think it necessary to put up cameras as well.
Also, no camera in Ben's room because he's the leader and there's no need to monitor him, security wise. The camera in Jack's house was to keep an eye on him. He was still a prisoner, just on a longer invisible leash. MrG: Since there are cameras in the rec room and a lot of other places , I'd say that everyone is a prisoner, to a greater or lesser degree. Paik he was dead. He was deeply ashamed of him. As far as I remember, we never met Sayid's Dad, but when Kelvin showed Sayid a video of the Republican Guard destroying a small town, didn't he say Sayid had family there?
Did Sayid's army kill his father? Just wanted to add my two cents! Fanatical devotion to a cause, a willingness to elevate 'truth' above facts, an obsessive fear and loathing of bears. I'm glad to see that someone else picked up on the conman reference that Cooper made. Seriously - how many conmen can one show have? I think that Cooper is the one to blame for Sawyer's dear old daddy killing himself and his wife when Sawyer was killed.
Further wish fulfillment anyone? Good catch on the characters having Daddy issues. One misstep though - Sawyers dad wasn't a conman, his wife was conned by a conman and their life savings were gone. That's why Sawyer's dad lost it killed her before killing himself. Could they be planting something for later? ONe more small detail from last night: During the Locke flashback I noticed the television news was playing a story. Again, I thought "What an interesting sound cue". I looked it up on Lostpedia and they said the news story was about "a Bolivian gold deposit" being stolen the evening before.
I noticed the decor of Ben's apartment: Lots of masks. They don't look African to me. Boone later made the decision to climb into the Beechcraft that fell and ultimately killed him.
Locke cannot be blamed for killing Boone, but he did manipulate Boone into becoming an obsessive, secretive person who took a needless risk that ended his life. Locke didn't want his disability to control his life and it became his dream to go on a walkabout tour of Australia. When he got there, though, he was refused entry to the experience and his dream was crushed before his very eyes.
This was devastating in its own right, but it was made even more emotional because it was the first scene where the show revealed that Locke had been paralyzed before Oceanic crashed on the Island. Locke's heartbreak and desperation in the scene felt palpable. For many fans, this scene in the episode " Walkabout" became one of the show's defining and most emotional moments. In season 2, Charlie had a vision about baby Aaron being in danger. One night, he tried to "baptize" Aaron in the ocean.
Claire and the others stopped Charlie from doing this, and the moment after he handed Aaron over, Locke began repeatedly punching and beating up Charlie. This was completely uncalled for on Locke's part. He suspected that Charlie was using drugs again--which he wasn't--but even if he had been using drugs, beating him up in front of everyone wouldn't solve anything. All it did was humiliate Charlie.
Ben Linus couldn't stand the idea that the Island had chosen Locke over him. It healed Locke when it gave Ben a cancerous tumor. Locke appeared to hear Jacob when Ben couldn't. Ben's retaliated by shooting Locke and leaving him for dead in a mass grave. He refused to let Locke usurp him and chose to eliminate him instead. It was a miracle that Locke survived this incident at all. Locke had been committed to pushing the button in the Swan Station, but he eventually lost faith and decided to stop pushing it.
When Desmond returned, he was initially on Locke's side in this matter, but Desmond soon realized that the button had to be pushed.
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